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Why Would John Crowder Fake Tongues? Glossalia and Clerical Control

2009 January 26
by manasclerk

another note for my longer work at the work blog on power and church structure, and their effects on democracy

I’ve been looking at the blogs of the Emergent-y (I no longer know what to call the Movement) young pastors. They’re always interesting because they a) are so earnest (which is great) and b) want to tackle important issues (which is also great). Sometimes they veer off into weirdness or simply bad thinking (not so great) but that’s no different than anyone else. At least they are trying to create something rather than just moan.

One of them, lofitribe — gotta mean something but I’m flummoxed — has been of interest lately because Shawn writes about leadership. Since church governance, leadership and the rise of the Despot Leader in Evangelical Churches is my current concern, I have been looking at what young minister types are saying about the issue.

They’re terribly confused on it, most of them. They’re biggest problem is that they look to management gurus for some of their understanding, or worse look to Church Gurus who look to Management Gurus who frankly didn’t know what they were doing in the first place. There are a few decent management gurus and most of them are hard ignored or entirely misinterpreted.

But one of the things Shawn links to is an interesting video of John Crowder. Crowder’s schtick is “high on Jesus” and he’s as entertaining as Otis, Mayberry’s lovable town drunk, if Otis had been the lead character and carried a loaded pistol along with that fifth jug. He’s less interesting than that other famous whisky-swilling media preacher, Dr. Gene Scott, but only because he’s so much less intelligent than Scott was. Crowder’s cute for about three minutes and then he’s just another annoying carny who hasn’t got anything to actually say.

Lots of young Evangelicals link to him because he’s so hot in young Christian circles these days. So Shawn linking to him isn’t all that interesting.

What’s fascinating, and what none of the comments seemed to capture (from my skim), is the way he nails an issue with his title:

John Crowder Reduces Spiritual Gifts to the Ridiculous

Why is that brilliant? Because he’s pointing to important to leadership, even if he doesn’t quite understand it himself.


Here’s the YouTube video in question:

The key thing is not what Crowder says (which can be summarized as a bad Stratum 1 reading of Christian hedonism) but the fake “speaking in tongues” that he uses. Shawn calls him out on this, saying that he is reduces a spiritual gift to being ridiculous.

I’m paraphrasing: Crowder shows contempt the exercise of the real speaking in tongues experience through this ridiculous attempt at faking it.

Speaking in tongues is known in the scientific literature as “glossalia” which, interestingly enough, is the original term. By this, they mean something closer to what Pentecostals mean by “ecstatic utterances” rather than someone miraculously speaking in another language. What happens is that the individual gets caught up in the Spirit (however defined) and starts ceding active control of his mind. His language centers turn off and he often begins swaying. Soon these bizarre sounds of gibberish come out. It’s not language per se but still something that is expressing a pre-linguisitc (not pre-cognitive) state that cannot be adequately described or experienced through the construct of language. The details differ from place to place, and often depend on who has taught you, but the outlines are pretty much the same. Just because it’s not “language” doesn’t mean that it is void of information that needs communicated. Thus Paul insists that when someone speaks in tongues in a Christian meeting that someone else interprets.

And all of this is still different from “prophesying”.

Crowder apparently hasn’t read the scads of works done on glossalia and what it is. If he had he wouldn’t have faked it so horribly badly. The fact that people put up with this means that either they have never seen real glossalia (strong possibility) or they simply want to be taken in by Crowder’s mesmer. It’s an appallingly bad attempt and really does resemble a very drunk atheist’s attempt at contemptuous parody of Pentecostals at, say, an East coast cocktail party for actors who shouldn’t be given work.

What’s interesting for us is that glossalia seems to have been contentious in the early Pauline Church at Corinth because it cut across power lines. It was a prime example of holiness, of being engaged by God, and anyone could have it. This allowed lowly people to take on the powerful, or to diminish their influence. Even Paul has to say “I speak in tongues more than anyone!”

Shawn hits on the issue by calling attention to how Crowder makes a spiritual gift of glossalia into something ridiculous. He’s not saying that glossalia is ridiculous, only that Crowder’s poor attempt at mimicking it is.

What Crowder has done is appropriated a leveling force onto himself. The glossalia is not for the Big Leader but for the little people in the pews. In this way it is like what Paul calls “prophesying” in his letter to Corinth. Because Crowder didn’t even do the easy work of learning to fake it reasonably well (no one can glossalia and speechify at the same time because glossalia turns off the linguistic function in the brain) it leaves him open to the accusation that he’s contemptuous of his followers and has appropriated a sign of leveling in an inappropriate and possibly dangerous way.

What’s really frightening is how many people go along with this. Crowder’s not the only one, of course; he’s just the loudest in the current batch.

It’s really too bad. Glossalia is something that cuts across power structures, that challenges power. When the people allow it to be faked by the Big Leader, they lose something precious. It’s better to be in a church that forbids glossalia than to be in one that permits its leader to fake it so egregiously.

Which is why I said it had to do with our topic.

(Full disclosure: I do not speak in tongues but have felt the need for ecstatic utterance when overwhelmed by my experience of the Trinity.)

8 Responses Post a comment
  1. not a liar permalink
    November 8, 2009

    If those people can really hear without ear holes and see through a glass eye he should get scientists to study these claimed ‘miracles’ . If Christians want to convince non-Christians their religion isn’t a bronze age myth this kind of evidence would be a good place to start. Of course he won’t show off these miracles to our scientists because he’s just another obvious liar for Jesus and he’s not stupid enough to try to fool the scientific community. He’s lying to you people and also making you guys look like gullible fools and making your religion look very dishonest.

  2. admin permalink
    November 18, 2009

    Thanks for the comment, Jordan1. I

  3. LeviticusMaximus permalink
    September 18, 2010

    The word of the day is “Charlatan”.

    It’s a shame that we often reduce the power of our Holy Father, YHWH, His Son, and the Holy Spirit to something that resembles more of a hard alcoholic drink or the feeling of heat and/or an electric shock…. which typically has only a slight chance of permanently healing joints/back pain/headaches/weight loss or whatever superficial healing that is desired.

    When Jesus performed miracles, even his enemies were doubtless that He had healed the sick or given signs! The only thing that they could come up with was that Jesus had to be working through the power of Satan. Where are the withered hands that are being healed by this movement? Where are the mute and the deaf who have received a full restoration? What about the blind or those with cerebral palsy or MS or missing limbs… What about the dead that have been raised from their grave? I hear all kinds of stories about these great miracles, but there is always doubt because the stories are ever-changing. What about the obsession with drug culture and the occult? Levitation? transcendental meditation? OBE’s? Altered states of consciousness through the clearing of one’s mind? Are we so faithless that we require signs and wonders to believe and have faith?

    I’m afraid that its the fake signs and cheap wonders keep us hanging on until the next week’s revival or next month’s refilling of the Holy Spirit.

    I can think of dozens of verses that seem to explain how we should respond.

  4. Frank permalink
    February 22, 2011

    What’s really scary is that he believes in being in two or more places at the same time. Isn’t this called being omnipresent. And isn’t it true that only God can be in more than one place at the same time?

  5. March 3, 2011

    Pretty much summed it up there Leviticus. The younger generation is searching for something more authentic than the denial, for lack of a better word, that those before them seem to live in. Much of the “church” is relatively dead and they’re so desperate for something real that they’ll grasp at anything that hints the possiblity of life. A lot of them are too young to have experienced enough pain in their lives to realize that the “signs and wonders” being offered to them lack true depth. What then when they do?

  6. bobba44 permalink
    March 13, 2011

    I realize that we cannot put God in a box and He can do whatever He wants to do in life…But I know if people were promoting me I would want them to put me in a good light and respect me, and show me as someone you could take seriously. I think the church has lost its reverence for God. I know I would not want to represented by someone who looks like they are either drunk or stoned. I believe God can work miracles and there will be signs and wonders…but not at the cost of making God look like a joke..!

  7. Joy permalink
    June 6, 2011

    Hi, my response is to the last comment about getting scientific evidence.

    i have just stumbled across this crowther guy today. I wouldn’t like to comment about if i think his ministry is authentic because I don’t know his history or much else about what is going on other than these videos.

    I have been raised in the Roman Catholic church and have always been open to the idea of miracles- there has been rigorous scientific studies on many miracles that happen in Lourdes In France where Mary the mother of Jesus appeared. the Roman Catholic church makes sure it is very rigorous about testing claims of miracles.

    i think if there are so many miracles happening they should start getting them checked scientifically.

    all signs and wonders are for God’s glory- to bring his kingdom of love, peace and salvation
    Thanks God for giving us brains and good senses and the gift of prayer to discern what is of him- beauty, truth and goodness

  8. Christopher permalink
    February 17, 2012

    I’m sorry but you’ve got the whole praying in tongues thing all wrong. I pray in tongues all of the time and I will say some of the most powerful times I’ve prayed in tongues I’ve been totally filled with the Holy Spirit I could barely talk and all that came out was gibberish. What Crowder is doing on stage is the real deal speaking in tongues. Holy Spirit is fun and likes to have fun. Dont get legalistic about it.

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